I picked up a pair of Sand 4 pants today. I tried them last night at local store that had them at a great price, but I didn't have my gear since I was in the jeep, and I wanted to see how they'd work out with my jacket and boots, as well as with pants inside since I didn't want to take the liners out last night (got there close to closing). I took a chance they'd be there yet. It was a beautiful spring day at 68*, and I headed out as soon as I could since I had a few odd jobs to do and would be riding. I couldn't find them at first and was pissed with myself for not grabbing them the night before. Luckily, the store clerk had put them on a liquidation rack by mistake the night before after I tried them. My take after a 200km day in them at 68*: Quality: It's very early and I'll update if needed, but they seem like a very sturdy build. I could find no flaws in stitching or zipper fits. They seem well thought out and executed. The only major update I'd like would be some leather inside the calves...and a zipper fly so I don't have to go trousers down to take a leak ;-) Fit(XL Standard): I'm just shy of 6'3, 220lbs, 33 or 34 waist depending on jeans brand, true 33" inseam - athletic. I had been wearing a pair of Sloppy Joe's (Rocket) Ballistik in XL because the L were too short. I hated those pants - huge, floppy, too much extra material, and never knew where the knee pads were. On the upside, I could almost wear my ski-doo pants under them in colder weather. Simply put, these fit on the small side. They have slightly larger legs than the Sand 3, which I prefer, but I'd never get jeans on with either of the liners in. When I tried them on last night, they were definitely too small for that, but I brought a pair today to try under the shell alone and once you moved around a little to get everything in place they were fine - comfortable even. I felt the 3's I tried were tighter in the thighs with jeans inside shell. The waist, set at the tightest setting, fits me fine despite the fit chart that puts them more in the 38 range. With liners in or out, in just gitch, the adjustments were at their tightests, but I doubt the large would have fit me better. Length-wise, I wanted to see where they'd be with my boots. I was worried I'd need the Tall, but the Standard fit perfectly - they gather properly at the bottom when standing (never under the heal), and rise just above the ankle when mounting the bike. I don't like the idea of material ever gathering near my heal in the event I need to dab or bail. The knee pads are set perfectly for me out of the box, and are where they should be when riding, although I did have to reallign the velcro so it didn't scrape on my skin. The legs are a slimmer fit than the old Joe Rockets I had - they're Euro, but the Euro gent they measured played some rugby ;-) Features: Theventilationworks great. I left the store with the shells on over gitch - packed my jeans and the liners. Again, it was 20*c out - not terribly hot, but I only opened the vents a little at the last 50km or so. I don't see them being problematic in our typicall summer weather (30/86*). Thefit, to me, is a feateure as well - they sit large enough to allow for airflow, while being tight enough to not risk catching on anything they shouldn't. In the vein of fit, they have adjustment features that work well at both the waist and calves, and the zipper calf makes like easier with your boots if you aren't using the liners. Storageis impressive - very useful pockets, with two main thigh pockets that can be easily accessed with my riding gloves (Baja 4). Protection- the shell is very robust and looks like it could handle a slide. The knee padding is very nice - you barely notice it's there, but it's CE/2, so great protection. I may look at options to upgrade the CE/1 hip protection, but I can live with it as is. Major Score——无论是偶然、设计或简单cutt成本ing, Rev'it saw fit to use the same zip attachment system from the Sand 3 line, meaning either piece will mate up with the other to take advantage of that safety feature. I really appreciate this since I prefer the look of my khaki Sand 3 jacket over anything in the 4 jacket line (all personal taste, but a happy outcome for my tastes). Take-aways: I didn't mention much about the lining for a reason. It's great in that it zips in, top and bottom, so it is very comfortable and I'm sure will make life easier when getting them off and on in wet conditions. That said, riding into unexpected rain with them on would absolutely suck. It's a bit of a polarizing topic, and I'm on the side of having waterproof outers when I'm going anywhere committed. A day ride is one thing when I know I can hang the gear up in the garage to dry before their next use, but a kit this heavy will take quite some time to dry outside, which is no fun if you're living in a tent for a couple days. That in mind, after buying a high-end pair of techical pants, I will now go out and splurge on a waterproof shell to fit over them - the function and fit still make them worth what I paid to me because of the temperature swings we get here in Quebec, and I have my Scott riding jeans that get used for most of my local riding anyway. They are a very clean looking pant, and I went with black to better suit the colour of my jacket...both will be a pleasant shade of filthy soon enough ;-) I'll update this if there are any significant changes.
Have been looking at the rev-it line, I need a slimmer summer paint for a stand in to the Klim hipty-hop fit Carlsbad paint.
I'm going to add to this review of the Rev'It Sand 4 pants, which I referenced before buying, as I just took my new pair on a nice trek yesterday. I agree with just about everything the OP posted. Great pair of pants. Pricey, but the quality matches the price point. My notes: Build quality is fantastic. Heavy-denier construction with reinforcements in key areas, double-stitched seams everywhere, no construction defects I could find. Zippers are good quality. I don't see any of these breaking without serious abuse. Sizing is typical Rev'It - slim but not constricting, and true toactualsize (not vanity size). I'm 5'11" ~200lbs, ~38" waist depending on where I measure, ~31" inseam (I wear Wrangler Classic 36x32 jeans comfortably loose), and I had to get an XL Short. The regular XLs were too long and bunched up on top of my boots. The XL Shorts are perfect, and are comfortable both on and off the bike without bunching or riding up. There is a pretty decent amount of waist adjustment, so as long as you're within 2" of advertised waist size, you should be good. The XXLs were just a hair too big with the adjustments all the way in, but the XLs were perfect. Liners seem to be good, but I've yet to use them, and suspect I won't unless I venture into some pretty cold/wet weather. The pants are easily good down to 55F without liners, probably less. Icanfit my jeans on under the pants with the liners in...barely. Not super comfortably, and I wouldn't want to go on a longer trek like that. Also not sure why I'd want the jeansandthe thermal liner in at the same time. Storage options are nice. The cargo pockets work well without being loose or overly bulky. I've seen complaints about the lack of hand warmer pockets, but my arms are long enough to use the cargo pockets as such. Also, I have a jacket with pockets of its own. The leg zipper/velcro system is effective. Zippers go up to just shy of the knee, which makes getting bigger boots on and off much easier than in other pants I've used. Velcro is abundant, and works great to cinch up the cuffs around whatever footwear you use. Cuff circumference is plenty to go around just about any boot, IMO. Armor is quality. Knee armor is fantastic, and the factory adjustments allowed me to position them properly over my knees (at the top of the adjustment). Hip armor is Level 1, but is at least extremely compact. Better than the useless foam that comes in most pants. Temperature handling is a bit subjective, but I feel that these are a solid 4-season jacket, at least in California. For cold weather, I'd feel comfortable way down into freezing temps with both liners in. The outer fabric is already pretty thick and the two liners are impressive insulators. For hot weather, these are comfortable up to ~100F+ as long as you keep moving on the bike. The venting is superb...if you're standing up. This is mostly a bike aerodynamics issue and will carry over to pretty much any pants that aren't mesh. But the 3D mesh that Rev'It uses is really effective. It's not just a small zipper opening for air to get in, it's a big mesh panel that allows air to circulate around your leg. I took these out yesterday for a trip into the mountains. No pants underneath, just short underwear. Temp was 65F when I left, and I had the vents open for the entire trip. They were comfortably cool until the temps climbed above 90 and we stopped for gas and got baked by the sun. But as soon as we got moving, a bit of stand-up riding was enough to dry out the sweat and get comfortable again.Stopped and at lunch in the mountains. Pants stayed on, but the cuff zippers were easy to undo to let me get the boots loosened to air my boots and feet out.I rode home in 100F (25% humidity), and while I was definitely warm, nothing is cool at that temp. I would rather have these pants than mesh in that level of heat; too much airflow results in blow-dryer effect. I dumped some water on my shirt and kept riding. All in all, I don't really have any complaints with the pants. I do wish that the heavy-denier fabric reinforcement on the knees was more than 1" wide, and a rear exhaust vent on each leg might be nice, but these are minor issues and I can do without them.
Yep pretty much what I would say about the pants. Being a fatass, I had to go with the XXL size. With no liners installed, I do not have enough room to wear another pair of pants inside them (jeans or whatever). So the Sand 4 H2O are not "commute" pants for me, as I'd rather not do a whole costume change upon arriving at the office. On the coldest days, I found that even with the thermal liner installed and a heated jacket liner on top, vents zipped closed of course, my legs were a bit chilly. It was OK for a short ride, but would have been a problem on a road trip. Maybe I just didn't have my core warm enough. Don't know. 这些裤子是神奇的在极端的头脑t. I wore them on the 300+ mile "Ride" part of a "fly and ride" bike purchase a few weeks ago. It was in the 80's before I left Phoenix and over 90 when I got home. 事实上是我得到浸泡在旅行,by unavoidable afternoon thunderstorms. Fortunately the duration of rain was not great. Temps were high enough, and humidity low enough, that I dried out pretty quickly once the rain stopped. I would have absolutely suffocated with the waterproof liner in. I didn't even bring it for that trip. Figured I would take my chances. That worked out because it's summer in the desert. Hypothermia isn't likely as long as you're not riding at night. If I found myself running into a lot of rain, I'd probably get a set of Road Toggs or other rainsuit. I do have the matching Sand 4 jacket. I wanted something with hi-viz to match my airbag vest. I owned the combo a couple of months before I realized there were actually 2 ways to zip jacket and pants together. One smaller zipper to allow more ventilation, another that goes almost all the way around, for greater security and perhaps to hold in some additional warmth.
I've got about 5k miles on my Sand 4 jacket and pants. I have a couple of observations to add to the tread: I have yet to find the temperature floor, but I get uncomfortably hot when temperatures get above 85-90*. The vents work, but I cannot get enough air movement to stay comfortable during slow-speed trail riding in hot temperatures. The optional suspenders work fantastic. The rain layer will fit over the jacket, but not the pants; this is dumb. Honestly, I would prefer a lower price and skip the thermal and rain layers. As much as I love my Sand 4 gear, I am still on the hunt for an AA-rated hot weather jacket and pants. I think I will give Adventure Spec a try before I go the Klim Baja S4 route.
AS doesn’t have a pant for American summers. The big downside of most pants is a lack of lower leg venting, especially noticeable when seated. The Baja is unfortunately (fortunately?) one of the very few to address that. The Revit tornado is another option, but may not work with bulky boots. Unfortunately the Cayenne Pro 2 failed to answer the Baja adequately for those of us who might prefer a more euro fit or style: still no lower leg venting (which their own Tornado provides!), still no stretch on the jacket for mobility and enhanced breath ability.
I think everyone's hot above 90°F, moving under ~30 mph, no matter what they're wearing. Especially with significant humidity. I'm sure I'm repeating myself, but base layer matters. Haven't found anything yet that beats VNM Sport. I'm open to suggestions though, as it's quite expensive. Have not explored the Sand 4 suspenders. So far, I'm still enough of a fatass that I haven't run out of adjustment room on the pants waist (in the "smaller" direction). The Sand 4 H2O's waterproofing liners are just that, liners - clearly designed to zip and snap inside their respective shells. Not outside. The waterproofing liner of the jacket does make a pretty reasonable all-weather piece when worn by itself, while not riding. If you want to stop the water on the outside, you're better off with a rain suit. They're designed to be worn on the outside, sized accordingly, and some of them have reflective stripes/strips/decorations. I too would like to see Revit offer an even more heat-friendly jacket and pants set. Call it the "Sand 5." Leave off the zip-in thermal and waterproofing layers, and drop the price accordingly. Add lower leg vents to the pants. Keep the existing ventilation in the jacket. Don't try to make it waterproof. Take along a rain suit for the occasional showers. Presto, you've got the perfect desert riding suit. Teiz Motorsports used to make something like this, but they aren't taking orders lately. Not sure if they're still in business.
I have both Sand 4 jacket and pants. I put about 1500 miles on them riding and camping in Alpine country of the Sierra's through the desert heat of Nevada. Temps ranged from 42 to 101, and was quite comfortable. However, the reason I stayed comfortable is due to the following: I bought the Sand 4 with the intention of not using the included liners. As a motorcycle riding/camping guy, it just doesn't make any sense to have internal rain liners. As such, I have External rain gear that I can easily put on should I spot rain ahead while traveling. I also use a heated jacket and a cooling vest. Should it get really cold, I can also throw on my Merino wool long John's. Also, unless I encounter extreme cold as mentioned above, I wear nothing but skivees under the pants, and a single base layer under the jacket. Otherwise, everything else is as previously stated. Hope this helps with those thinking about purchase.
I pulled the trigger on a pair of Sand 4 pants when they were on sale. First thing, even with the liners removed the pants are heavy. A compromise between bombproof construction and comfort, I'm opting for the later these days. The liners I will never use as I find all the extra material uncomfortable. I was really wanting a good fitting pair of pants, but found the Revit Sand falling short of expectations compared to my gold standard for comfort and fit, a old pair of Olympia Airglide pants. What all these newer uber expensive pants lack, and where the Olympias excel is the addition of simple vertical accordion style elastic panels that allow them to stay put. Standing on the pegs, the Sand start slipping down under their own weight requiring suspenders. The real deal breaker was the waist adjustment. Revit bucked the norm of easy velcro adjustability with a system that could not be adjusted easily, pretty much requiring me to remove the pants to facilitate adjusting the waist. That was the final straw. I bought them at a big discount Revzilla was running, but ultimately, they were returned.
I suspect a lot of the fitment issues are body type specific. Not that your concerns aren't valid, just that they're specific to your specific fitment. I find that the Sand 4s fit excellent. They are heavy, but I have no problems adjusting them on the fly, and I don't find that they fall down any more than my jeans. I zip them to my jacket when I'm riding longer than 30min, but otherwise I leave them unzipped in the back. I have a set of Olympia airglide pants that I use for commuting because they have full length zippers that make them easier to get on over jeans. They're great for that, but otherwise they're not fantastic pants. They're very loose, even over my jeans. The knee protection only works because they're huge, but I don't trust them anywhere near as much as the knee armor in the Sand 4, which stays right where I need it. Point being, everyone is different, and trying them on in a shop is the best bet, and good exchange policies if you can't try them on first.
The waist adjustment on the Sand 4 pants doesn't have a lot of range. They share this with the Sand 3. I had oodles of waist adjustment range on my Tourmaster Caliber overpants, but they were hot garbage otherwise.
