风噪声和自行车。处于放弃骑行的边缘。

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  1. Alexander B

    Alexander BLong timer

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    Waking up today, my ears still ringing from the 4 hour ride yesterday.:bluduhTotally unacceptable, and it seems motorcycles and my ears do not get along well.

    I have owned a number of bikes, and test ridden quite a few, specifically looking for the least noisy model. So far it seems naked bikes, Schuberth S1 Pro (supposedly more quiet than the C3) and either custom moulded or 3M foam plugs is best combo. Still insufficient, though.

    我骑了许多自行车,以寻求非损害风噪声。以下是一些非裸体自行车的示例,以反映风噪声:VFR800F和CBF1000FA(最好的整流车之一,仍然比裸体自行车稍大一些),Tracer 700,TDM850,TDM850,F800GT,F800GT,DL650/V-Trom/v-trom,Down,down down到可怕的FZ6R/XJ6转移F和耳朵分裂直升机湍流Harley Cwitchback和Yamaha XV1100拖曳星带有谷仓门屏幕。

    I am about 6' 1", have gone through four helmets in six years (now down to Schuberth and one Arai Axces), every type of ear plugs, wrapping cloth around my neck etc. While a lot of my riding is on the highway, I do NOT ride at excessive speeds, just the 110-120 km/h (75- ish MPH) needed to go with the flow. No other noisy activities; no guns, heavy equipment, loud clubs, big concerts etc. (By the last sentence, I am apparently quite a boring person...:snore

    Is there any current/recent model bike I should try before I give up?
    尽管我有三辆裸体自行车(XJR1300,FZ8N和XT660R)它们都略微块状/正方形/角度。我骑的一些巡洋舰风格的裸体风格在坦克,散热器,镜子等周围的“旋转”略微降低,但没有很大的差异。

    为低风力阻力而设计的“超级自行车”呢?还是游览自行车?但是我可能讨厌被“强迫”骑着黄金 - 太大而笨拙。

    Any ideas?
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  2. ID650rider

    ID650riderMC enthusiast

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    Go ride the bmw r1200rt - sportier than you might think and with the adjustable wind screen - it can be quiet
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    Alexander BLong timer

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    谢谢!我会试一下。
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    没有海岸骑手来了一段时间

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    I always used ear plugs when riding highway, until I got my 2011 BMW R1200RT last year. Now whenever I hit the highway I just raise the electronic windscreen and is super quiet, no more ear plugs, I can actually listen to music while I ride.

    Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
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    我以前的BMW K1200LT非常安静,其可调式挡风玻璃在正确的位置。但是,就大小而言,它与金翼同一类别,出于许多其他原因,我不建议这样做。
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    Alexander BLong timer

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    Thanks guys.
    I "feared"the BMW would score high here. "Feared", given the less than rock solid quality reputation and complicated maintenance reqirements. Still, I will give the R1200RT (but maybe not the K1200RT...) a try, as the option of not riding any longer distance AT ALL is bleak, to say the least.
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  7. IronJackWhitton

    IronJackWhittonChasing my Trunk to the next adventure

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    You asked for "any ideas" so here's mine. This idea is worth exactly what you paid for it so, buyer beware:D

    As a Canadian, I spend WAY too much time on the internet reading about bikes rather than riding them (Pretty much November through March...and I live in Edmonton, so I am quite committed!). I've heard of people with wind noise problems, and typically it's a matter of finding the right combination of one or two things, but it's rare for anyone to complain of more than a 'two tweak fix' for wind noise -- i.e. the following

    - Ear Plugs and a Good Helmet
    - Helmet and a Good Aftermarket Screen
    - Screen and Custom Ear Plugs
    - Fairings and....whatever

    这可能是更改多个变量的问题。您没有提及操作中的屏幕,所以尝试可能会有所帮助?

    风噪声通常有两种方式之一:buffeting(骑车时的声音“ WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP”的声音)或更传统的Wind Noice(“ shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh”的声音响亮而恒定)。第一个说明了风在自行车上流动的方式 - 空气动力学产生了涡流效果。第二个说明了防风的保护,这更多是挡风玻璃或整流罩的问题。
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    Probably agree with the R1200RT, not having ridden one. I have the 1150RT with a VStream High Touring screen, am exactly 183cm (6') tall and wind noise and buffeting totally disappear with the screen in the raised position. I have no problem wearing ear plugs - wear them to bed every night - but if I ride with the screen up they're overkill.

    PS. I wouldn't be too concerned with BMW reliability issues, they're on par with your average Japanese bikes but the problem is you usually pay more so expect them to be better than they are.
  9. MODNROD,,,,Apr 2, 2017
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    MODNRODPawn of Petty Tyrants

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    我需要一个新的FF头盔(符合轨道),所以去尝试一些。我要求AGV,只是发现它是前后键的枢纽.......嗯?!?!?!他们总是非常适合。阵营的一部分,她本人是600个轨道飞行员,递给我一只鞋子来尝试。
    "WOW! It's damn quiet in here!" thinks me, they have changed the shape, and bought it.
    我第一次乘坐小型DUC 696骑行真是幸福,在小裸露的双胞胎上真的很不错。
    My first ride on the CTX700 was just awful, major buffeting and screaming headache after only an hour.
    I think it is to do with the angle-of-attack of the front of the helmet.

    For what it's worth though, I have had the quietest ride over the years with big old naked UJM 4s, and also the super-jets you mention with slippery everything (I have a '05 Daytona now, similar style).
    Leaning forward to drop-bars (not stock upright stuff) on nakeds or clip-ons on Supers seems to suit the design specs of most FF helmets to give the quietest results for me.
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    OzRider64Friggen慢速冒险家。新利18苹果

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    Earplugs are your only option.
    I made the mistake like that years ago, Cairns to the Gold Coast, 1799K's in 19 hours 40 minutes.
    我的耳朵响了两天。
    除了耳鸣,需要它of you physically.
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    Fjr1300? Pretty sporty, good wind protection.

    我的服务经理拥有F800GT。他发誓这辆自行车。
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    Great comments!
    输入法,裸体自行车创造没有冲击,一个d instead allow the "clean air" to hit you full blast.
    Top fairing / small windshield re-direct some of the air, reducing force on the chest but accellerate the airflow speed at the helmet. Less strain on the muscles (which is sort of irrelevant to me), but more (clean) wind and more noise in the helmet. So, worse than naked.
    完整的整流罩或“谷仓门”屏幕。这些是最糟糕的,IME。上半身几乎没有气压,但噪音和自助力从“大声”到“坚果”。免责声明,我只骑了少数模型,因为我主要是在寻找更轻,更紧凑的选项。看来宝马RT在这里真的很突出...
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    There are endless discussions about buffeting problems with the FJR, but sure, it could suit me. I doubt it, though, given my experiences with Yamahas with fairings so far.
    I have ridden the exact F800GT. As much fun as a dentist appointment, bad hadlebar vibrations and neither better nor worse wind management than VFR800 or CBF1000FA, in my experience.
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    Ive ridden the fjr and the buffeting is no worse that what i get on my Tiger.

    Im only speculating in the Bimmer. Not being a Bmw fan myself havent really ridden many.
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    my personal experience. Bought a Suzuki c50 a good bike at a good price. was fitted with a factory screen and the turbulence was that bad it rendered the bike close to unrideable. time spent on the informative c50 owners forum suggested a set of Harley fork winglets would help. purchased a set of overpriced and poorly chromed Harley winglets and the transformation was amazing.
    我的建议仔细阅读所有业主论坛的任何自行车或渴望的自行车,并遵循他们的建议。解决方案的成本可能是自行车成本的一小部分。

    cheers and good luck
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    您显然不知道如何正确放置耳塞,因为它们几乎全部删除了29dB或更多,而3M是我使用过的最好的插头(小而柔软,超级舒适)。
    滚动并挤压手指,一路插入时插入,一直延伸。(也让我想起了其他东西...)
    YouTube可以帮助您。
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    MHaz01I Used To Be Faster

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    我总是戴上耳塞 - 廉价的泡沫种类,噪音降低了约30dB。和模块化头盔。

    我的经验是,每辆摩托车都会产生不同的噪音轮廓。我目前的BMW K1600GTL即使使用售后挡风玻璃也很吵。我以前的BMW K1200LT的噪音要少得多。胜利越野之旅很吵。我借了一个下午的宝马R1200GSA非常幸福,令人震惊的安静。甚至不需要耳塞。我演示的印度路线大师和2017年HD Ultra Limited也很安静。

    I rode a friend's Road King and the wind noise was awful. He installed a pair of $50 aftermarket wings on the fork and the result was a very quiet motorcycle. Wind noise comes from multiple places, not just the windshield or fairing.
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    ddavidvThe reason we can't have nice things

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    I've had a few bikes (see sig) and the wind noise varied greatly on all. Had to wear ear plugs on several of them. I've also changed helmets 3 times so far. I believe it is possible to hit upon the winning combination.

    头盔当然可以有所作为。我用自行车装备的更好合适的Bilt Cheapo代替了HJC,这仅仅是因为它更适合我的奇数球。风噪声下降了。

    Wind noise on my Wee Strom wasn't too bad (Madstad windshield). I'd often forget to put my earplugs in but wouldn't be bothered except on long highway rides.

    My Tiger came with a Madstad on it and it is, by far, the quietest thing I have ridden. I don't even bother with plugs.

    每个人都会有所不同,具体取决于他们的身材以及他们坐在自行车上的方式。可能很难找到这种组合,但有可能。我偶然发现了我的。
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    您的听力有多糟糕?您是否对耳朵的损坏噪音进行了任何测量?你和医生交谈了吗?

    I have is-max with MRA Vario windshield and good set of mushroom foam plugs give me good protection, but it may be not enough for you.

    Here's a review good luck:
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  20. bobw,,,,Apr 2, 2017
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    bobwHarden the phuck up

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    I would give my rt very high marks. Try one and even if a little shorter or taller screen is needed you will see how effective the overall design is for weather protection with the range of the electric windshield adjustment being the icing on the cake. I've owned a bunch of naked, sport touring, "GS" platforms over the years from most OEMs and naked is my second favorite for clean air and an add on barn door on my Bonnie was the worst as it actually had dirty air so bad I couldn't focus my eyes over 55 MPH. As others have pointed out simple adjustments in angle or adding "winglets" be it on a GSA or a Road King offer incredible impact on dirty air. Your helmet is universally thought to be one of the quieter ones, but for me my long oval head is definitely only happy in an Arai and I find just cracking the face shield to various degrees helps quiet things down at certain speeds (they are so friggin noisy). Anyway, when riding any bike to assess where the dirty air is sourced I often cross my arms (one at a time) across my lap and slowly raise them up my torso to above my helmet and also try closer and farther away from me as well as a little side to side. It's not very scientific, but you can quickly see if it's coming from underneath, around the sides, etc. as the impact and noise at various speeds is easily noticed.

    Don't give up riding and for the $ spent on helmets you might want to explore high end hearing protection that may be available. I would bet many tradesmen, military, etc., end users may have found a need for something beyond "over the counter" options that most of us use.

    Good luck.
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